Showing posts with label Kotesova. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Kotesova. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 2, 2017

Stiff and Sore - Day One: Zilina

The cemetery visits began today, Monday. We met Pavel Frankl at the entrance to the cemetery in Zilina a few minutes walk from where we are staying. The cemetery has been in use since 1857 and still serves the local Jewish community. It is clearly identified, has a large chapel for funeral services and well-kept graves in numbered rows, with the locations listed in neatly organized books. It is a model of what we would like to find in any cemetery.

Pavel in the Zilina cemetery

Pavel himself looks after all the Jewish cemeteries in the area, though the others have not been used for decades. He has also written a book (500 pages, small print, lots of photographs) about the Jewish community of Zilina and has written a book on the subject - in the Slovak language. Cyndi bought a copy.

We were not there for long because we wanted Pavel to take us to the Kotesova cemetery and knew we could come back to the one in Zilina at our leisure, though it is generally closed before noon. (The First of May is a holiday here, hence the morning hours.)
Not well-kept graves, no numbered rows and most critically - not flat.























Pavel told us that students had cleared away much of the trees and branches a few weeks ago, but what with the hillside, a bit of mud, and the rest of the underbrush it appeared more than a bit treacherous.

Cyndi expected to find loads of our Zelinkas here and some others from her part of the family. It was not so simple, starting with the fact that most of the tombstones do not have surnames. Many others are only partially legible or are broken or inaccessible. Many of the better quality stones were stolen by neighbors or local government.

Among the more interesting stones is Esther, the wife of Ber Meilech. Her father's name does not appear and there is a very nice inscription, but the interesting thing is at the top.

The broken candle.

I had not seen this particular symbol before, but I have no doubt about its meaning - a married woman who died young.

Another interesting stone is Yosef. There are certainly many stones where the deceased's name appears as an acrostic in a set of often rhyming lines.

This Yosef (on the left) is an example. We see his name Yosef the son of Dov Ber on the fifth line. We also see the four letters of Yosef at the beginning of the first four rhyming lines.

This is the oldest grave we saw. The year is off the top left edge of the photograph and shows 5590. This Yosef died in late 1839.

But it was a different Yosef whose stone was more interesting. The date of death is the twentieth of Av 5670 (1910) and it appears at the very top, outside the photograph below.


There are four rhyming lines and the fifth says "ben R' Menashe Schlesinger."

But no given name at all.

It took a few minutes until I realized that the four rhyming lines begin with the letters of Yosef. I don't recall seeing a grave where the only appearance of the deceased's name is in the acrostic. Certainly not when there is no emphasis of those letters.


I spent a lot of time on the ground. Mostly awkwardly. Usually long enough each time for my knees and feet to become stiff. This is one of my better positions. And it's a Zelinka grave as well, though we don't know who she is.

I ended up on the ground for maybe eight graves, both for the photography and in order to decipher and copy the inscriptions. We have more days like this ahead of us, both here in Slovakia and in Hungary.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Lydia came to visit at our Airbnb apartment. I was introduced to Lydia by Miri Turcan - a DNA contact - who lives in Israel but who comes from Slovakia. Lydia was born in Zilina and now lives in Prague, so we have been talking about meeting up for some time. She speaks no English, but some Hebrew as she lived in Israel for two years. Neither Cyndi nor Linda is conversant in Hebrew.

We had hoped to meet Lydia in Prague, but she was in Zilina and expected to return the day we were making the reverse trip. But she stayed here a few extra days. We were all pleased she did. First of all, we nailed down how we are related. Lydia's mother's father's mother's father Nathan Zelinka is the brother of my father's mother's father's mother Mali/Miriam Zelinka Rosenzweig. That makes Lydia a fourth cousin to Linda and me and a fifth cousin to Cyndi.

The parents of Nathan and Mali are Isaak and Sari Zelinka and Lydia told us that she thinks Sari is a Polizer. Now that I think about it, Nana's half brother Uncle Fred had said there was a relationship with the Polizers but Nana thought it was on Uncle Fred''s mother's side, not on our side. Maybe not. Or maybe both. In any case, I am recording this with a question mark, because we have only Lydia's "I think" to go on.

Lydia sketched out her family - her children and grandchildren, and the same for her brother and her three first cousins. One of those first cousins, Milan, was supposed to meet us in Prague, but we didn't connect properly. Linda will be returning to the US from Prague next week and will meet there with Lydia and Milan together. That should give me time to organize all this new information into a printout so that Lydia can check it and add appropriate details on dates, spouses etc.

Lydia's great-grandmother has a sister Jeanette Spitzer whose tombstone was one of those we visited in Kotesova earlier today. She died in 1891.

Lydia did a DNA test with MyHeritage and just sent it in. We'll get her on GEDmatch when she gets her results. She also has a tree on MyHeritage. She is also related on her other side to Dana Michailovici from Kiryat Hayyim and perhaps we will get together in Haifa next time Lydia is in Israel.

Lydia's mother has a sister who is married to a Rosenzweig. We'll have to find out exactly how he fits into our family too.

Tomorrow we look for Nana's grandparents.

Sunday, December 9, 2012

COUSIN CYNDI AND OUR ZELINKA SIDE

 Cyndi Finds Me Through JewishGen Family Finder

 One of the most important parts of the JewishGen website is the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) which they describe as follows:
The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a compilation of surnames and towns currently being researched by over 97,000 Jewish genealogists worldwide.  It contains over 500,000 entries: 125,000 ancestral surnames and 17,000 town names, and is indexed and cross-referenced by both surname and town name.  The JGFF was originally created in 1982, and is maintained by JewishGen.
Researchers should check the JGFF for genealogists with similar research interests, and can then contact them for an exchange of information.
These are my JGFF listings on my father's mother's side
I have listed fifty-six surname-town combinations that I am interested in, including a few alternate spellings. On more than one occasion, people have looked up their names and towns and have made contact with me after seeing matching information.

JewishGen has a Value Added program for people who contribute a hundred dollars or more a year, which includes an alert system. If someone adds a name and town of interest to me, the system notifies me. That is what happened when Cyndi listed her Zelenka family from Kotesova Slovakia fifteen months ago.

(To give you an idea how JewishGen has grown in the last fifteen years, Cyndi's is researcher number 499,018. I am number 5627.)

We exchanged emails a few times over the course of a year, but hadn't really done much.  She was on my "to do" list all that time, but there were always many items ahead of her. Then she began speaking to me about DNA.

Cyndi had tested with a different company, but began pushing me to do a DNA comparison on a free site called GEDmatch.com. (At the same time, someone here in Israel was pushing me towards GEDmatch on the Pikholz or Kwoczka side.) GEDmatch had us as fifth cousins.

The Bob Hanscom Data

I have mentioned Bob Hanscom here a couple of times. Bob has two Wilhelm relatives in his family, who came from Trenscin County in western Slovakia. Fani Wilhelm (b. 1785) married Nathan Joseph Rosenzweig, the brother of Nana's great-grandfather Simon. Julianna Wilhelm (b. 1824) married Moses Zelinka, the brother of Nana's grandmother. So in the course of his research, Bob sent me extracts of all the Zelinka and Rosenzweig records that he found. 

This was eight-nine years ago and his information has provided the basis for the Rosenzweig and Zelinka trees on my web site.

But I never had much in the way of actual documentation and for the most part, the people mentioned in the records were generally from the early and mid-1800s.

The first Zelinka we have is Leopold / Levko whose son Jacob had children in the 1780s. Among Jacob's children were sons Joseph and Isaak. Isaak is Nana's great-grandfather. Joseph has a daughter Francza, which is the name of Cyndi's great-great-great-grandmother. Cyndi is missing documentation of the parents of her Francza, but the DNA test showing us to be fifth cousins fits her being the daughter of Joseph.

In the course of going over this material, I found that Bob had given me additional information five years ago, which for some reason I never wrote down. That newer material indicates that there is documentation for Cyndi's Francza.

More Zelinkas

I then went back to JGFF, to see who else was interested in Zelinkas from Kotesova. There are five, aside from Cyndi and me - four of those with online contact information.

I contacted those four and received alot of information from them, bringing their families down to the present.

Sometimes, something comes up that pushes everything aside and last week, the Zelinkas was just that. I entered over three hundred new people and I am not yet finished. The older Zelinkas had more sons than daughters, so the name (including variations such as Selinka) appears very often. As I write this, I have recorded 329 descendants of Leopold Zelinka and 162 spouses. There are also twenty-four who are probably descendants, but we are not sure how.  

One hundred twenty were born with the name Zelinka and another seventeen Selinka, so that surname is now nipping at the heels of Gordon as the second most common name in my database.

As I say, there is more I have not yet entered, so consider this an introduction. There will be more in a few weeks.

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Housekeeping announcements:


I am scheduled to speak for the Israel Genealogical Society on 19 December at Bet Frankfurter in Jerusalem on:
A DNA SKEPTIC TURNS HIS FAMILY ON ITS HEAD AND REMAINS A SKEPTIC
 
I am also speaking 20 December in Raanana and 9 January in Haifa. The topic will be:
BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT: WHAT YOU KNOW vs WHAT YOU CAN PROVE

 All three talks will be in Hebrew. Check times and addresses at http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/13/239/6792.asp